Laileb

[laileb]

I once again canceled my subscription it runs out the second week in august. I'm leaving wow for darkfall. I'm not happy with how things have been going and need a change of pace. Maybe I might even see a few of you over there

[taallonn]

I know where your coming from dude. I feel the same way at times, which is why I take breaks from the game as well. Good luck in Darkfall and I hope that in time you'll be back. peace brutha!!

[laileb]

Well after thinking about this for a week or two I'm gonna post exactly whats going on with me. I realize that this isn't the best place to post such a thing, but at the same time it is a recurring guild issue. I also realize that since a great deal of this is directed at a person it should have been discussed in private. Be that as it may, it is a recurring guild issue and due to my passive-aggressive nature this is probably the best way to list all my concerns/problems without letting some of them being lost in the conversation.

The reason I was not happy with SWP and how it was going was Doric. I like Doric quite a bit but I don't appreciate his attitude. Now I know that seems like a contradiction But I am going to borrow an analogy from Stephen Covey to help explain it. (I was forced to read "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" at work) Everyone has an emotional "Bank Account" When people do good things for you it increases but when people do negative things it decreases. Unfortunately Doric's temper and the resulting week long tantrums have brought me to the point where even seeing his name bothers me let alone hearing him talk. Everyone that I have shared my feelings with have told me that it's better now. But I'm not going to do the same thing over and over expecting different results each time. Doric and Biack used to get into fights back in Karazhan just because Biack would want to do something differently. As an example one specific time was when he was tanking on Felgor and wanted to do Nightbane before progressing further to the top. Doric got mad and said He didn't even know why he was there and if Felgor wanted to lead the fucking raid to go ahead and do it. Now I bet that sounds familiar to anyone who has ran Naxxramas or Ulduar because similar things have happened repeatedly in both raids. One of the tipping points for me was Obsidian Sanctum a few weeks ago. Doric didn't want to do it but came to help. The entire raid all we heard in vent was how it was a waste of time and if there was someone who could replace him he would gladly leave. and that he doubted anyone could even use anything out of there. Well did he even look at people's gear/specs? Did he know what people needed? Obviously not because I needed gear from there, not to mention that for any caster the illustration of the demon soul (which drops in OS) is very close to BiS if not it. Many of us don't have complete T7 sets either or want the badges.
And then listening to him bitch about how at least his brother likes him. and how he can't wait for them to add the service that allows a person to change faction so he can transfer Doric to skullcrusher. I understand people have bad weeks but to go on like that for 2 or 3 weeks is unnacceptable. I considered you a friend as do many of these people in this guild and you treat everyone like that? Not acceptable at all.
The last thing that bothers me is that this is a casual guild. Everyone is free to spec how they choose and do as they choose. But all the rules of common courtesy go out the window raid time. I don't have much room to talk here as I am just as guilty as anyone else, but to purposely exclude people from a casual raid because they don't perform up to par and to talk about them in the "secret" raid chat channel isn't right. Like I said, I am just as guilty as everyone else on this. But honestly it isn't right to advertise one thing and then expect something completely different and not make the expectations clear. If people are supposed to take raiding seriously then it is no longer a casual raid. And for some people to freak out because we are not using flasks and what not in a group thats half paladins is ridiculous. I have a feeling that the lack of diversity is killing us much more than the lack of a damn flask.
Well I gathered from the last time I was in vent some of my actions have also caused some hard feelings among some of you and I apologize for that as causing trouble was not my intent. This has been brewing in me for quite some time now and I have only acted in ways that seemed right at the time although in retrospect I should have handled it in a more professional manner. I apologize to all of you who have been disturbed in anyway by this However we do have enough redundancy in healing that my leaving shouldn't effect you much.

[zuggy]

First off I'd like to apologize for the way I have been acting on Raids. While I find them very fun it does bring out the worst in some of us that want to get beyond what we may be capable of doing at this time. I wont do any name calling or anything like that but we have all been there and done it before. I have to agree with some of the things you have said about the casual raiding being thrown out the window after we had enough to get into ulduar. Hell hardcore raiding guilds hardly compare to the hours we put into raids lately.

So were do we go from here? Since the patch will be out hopefully within the next couple weeks I'm all for just playing it cool till then. We can run heroics till our hearts bleed dry from boredom and when we have a group that wants to venture back into Ulduar with better gear/exp with our chars then I'll be ready.

I remeber not even getting to the 2nd 10 man raiding instance in BC till after it was so easy with the combat/class changes that we could practically 1 heal the damn thing. While I do like to do things that are hard and exciting, I find it very frustrating to have been in Ulduar for this amount of time and still wiping on the same boss's. My suggestion is blow away the 5 or 6 boss's we can 1 shot and screw the rest till we can 7 or 8 man them and not have to worry about the couple of people we take in that are holding us back.

What I would like to see us doing more in the future is falling back in line with the casual raiding guild status we advertise. Yes things have changed in the past few weeks and we no longer do all ulduar every night and there are some free for all nights that we will do anything on. What I would like from people that do not want to raid is to put other alternatives up on the nights that raids are going on. Just because there is a raid going on doesn't mean other things can not be scheduled at the same time. I for one will start posting up some achievement nights that will mostly revolve around old world things that I haven't accomplished on BIack yet. Anyone is welcome to join me and I'm up for suggestions to anything you might need also.


Anyways that's all I have for now I just got home alittle while ago from my trip to New Orleans and I just had to post something in reply before many people read this post. When I've had a good day or so to think of more things to say I'll reply again.

Biack/Zuggy

[taallonn]

Where to start.....

Well first i hate to see Lail leave but I can undersand where he is coming from, but I'll touch on that in a second.
Lail, it's been a pleasure having you in guild dude, I am sory that things got so bad that you felt you had to leave but by the same token
you voiced your concerns on a few occasions but for you they got to a point of no return which i can't help but wonder if I could have helped
you to avoid.

The second thing is. I'm stepping down as a raid leader. Plain and simple, I'm done with it. On occasion i may sign up for a raid here or there and i will continue setting up pvp and WG, but all in all I'm just sick of hearing and seeing stuff about Uludar. I am burned out from the place being run and on the schedule so many nights during the week that i honestly could give a rat's ass if I ever step into any raid again.
We setup free for all nights to do stuff other than progression raiding and they turned into fucking Uludar raids...fine, have at it just don't count me in those,
like I said I'm done with it and the need to get epic lewts.

It's really sad when I can sit there and have more fun on a low lv toon than 3 level 80's that are geared, because the raiding in this game has turned into a system where greed rules supreme. I don't blame anyone for what Blizz has turned this game into, however the hours put in for raids makes me wonder what part of casual got left the fuck out of the raid environment we have now.

Peace

edit: damn microsoft word doesn't copy/paste here well...Arghh!!!

[xyon]

I got burned out on raids as well. I can only raid 2 nights a week on weekends and I got tired of people making me feel guilty when I couldn't go on a raid because I wanted to go out with friends and have a semi normal social life.

If I could raid more then 2 nights a week it wouldn't be much of an issue. But when friends ask me to do something on a Friday or Saturday night I am sorry but I am not going to turn them down because I have to go on a raid.


Everytime I would log on a few people would try and make me feel guilty by saying things like "Dude you should have come to the raid, there was nothing but paly healing gear drops" or "Well the raid didn't happen cause we where 1 healer short" among other things.

I haven't loged on Daelane for weeks. I am having more fun messing around with a lowbie lvl 16 mage.

I am even considering going back to Warhammer or Lords of the Rings Online.

[taallonn]

Aug 4, 2009 7:53:08 GMT -5 xyon said:

I got burned out on raids as well. I can only raid 2 nights a week on weekends and I got tired of people making me feel guilty when I couldn't go on a raid because I wanted to go out with friends and have a semi normal social life.

If I could raid more then 2 nights a week it wouldn't be much of an issue. But when friends ask me to do something on a Friday or Saturday night I am sorry but I am not going to turn them down because I have to go on a raid.


Everytime I would log on a few people would try and make me feel guilty by saying things like "Dude you should have come to the raid, there was nothing but paly healing gear drops" or "Well the raid didn't happen cause we where 1 healer short" among other things.

I haven't loged on Daelane for weeks. I am having more fun messing around with a lowbie lvl 16 mage.

I am even considering going back to Warhammer or Lords of the Rings Online.

If i made you feel guilty I apologize. It's never been my intent to make someone feel guilty for not being able to raid. In fact i have felt guilty in the past just because I had wanted everyone else to be able to raid.

If you feel like twinking out a lowbie...Biack and I have been tearing up WSG and AB, and now that the patch is here and we can cap levels...your damn straight I'm gonna have 2-3 twinks for 19, 29 and 39 bracket. Seems to me that even with all the bitching in BG's, it's less stressful than raiding and more enjoyable....for me anyway

At the moment I am waiting on 2 online games. One is old, the other is new, hehe. But I plan on playing both whenever they are ready....
www.enb-emulator.com/ just went into it's 3rd open stress test, meaning it's going to be here probably quicker than some may realize....

www.startrekonline.com/ No idea when they'll release this but I imagine it's going to be before Diablo 3 and right around the time I decide to start my e-mail campaign to get perma-banned from WoW for them not knowing what the hell they are doing and ruining a once great game by catering to the ez-mode, greedy , epic lewts whores that plague this game now...

[laileb]

theres a good chance I would join you in star trek, I've read up on it and it sounds like it could be fun

[taallonn]

Aug 4, 2009 14:14:32 GMT -5 laileb said:

theres a good chance I would join you in star trek, I've read up on it and it sounds like it could be fun

I know a few of us plan on giving it a try. Since the guild base was formed in a star trek chat room, I'm pretty sure some of the original members will be there including those that don't play WoW but still play UO, SWG, warhammer, ect....

Xyon's supposed to come up with a klingon name !!!!!! Where'z Da Klingon name Xyon!!!!!!

[laileb]

So I assume we'd be a klingon guild LoL. That MMO is gonna have like 10000 klingon guilds and like 5 human ones I'm looking forward to the pvp zones with that kind of imbalance lol. On a more serious note I look forward to interacting with people from SWP in a new environment and think that it could be quite fun

[laileb]

I'm gonna be playing on a different server for a while to cool off and relax, I will probably pop in from time to time. Unfortunately I hastily deleted a few of my 80s on staghelm. Theres 2 left but the pally and shaman are gone. I am probably going to delete my Twisting Nether toons as well.

[zuggy]

I was wondering why I got the character no longer exists text message when I logged into WoW with biack the other day......At least now I know who it was about.

I can't say I'm going to try Startrek but I will try diablo 3 more then likely once it comes out. In the long run though I'll be a WoW addict and proud of it for many years to come!


Biack

[xyon]

I haven't read all posts after mine yet and I will post again if I feel I need to reply more once I have read them.

But I want to say that I don't think anyone in particliar made me feel guilty on purpuse (hence why I didn't give names or pointed any fingers toward anyone). But it did none the less.

[xyon]

Oh yeah we'll be a Klingon guild. Hmm I really need to start working on that name again lol Taal can ya give me that Klingon tranlator page again? hehe

[xyon]

Aug 4, 2009 14:30:10 GMT -5 laileb said:

I'm gonna be playing on a different server for a while to cool off and relax, I will probably pop in from time to time. Unfortunately I hastily deleted a few of my 80s on staghelm. Theres 2 left but the pally and shaman are gone. I am probably going to delete my Twisting Nether toons as well.

You can always as a GM to restore your lvl 80s